View Full Version : Violent Videogames are Pornography
ZipperBlues
02-24-2006, 09:47 PM
Or so Utah says now, thanks to a Bill (http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/215683.html) utah's legislature just passed.
Wow... so... why not pass a bill that it going to be overrulled by the state supreme court faster than you can spit, waste the tax payers dollars, insult parents by doing their jobs for them, and make yourself look like a stupid state???
Utah is very much on my "states we could do without" list.
Admiral Zaarin
02-24-2006, 10:16 PM
Frakin idiots:
"Would these same kids have done this anyway without watching violent videos? Maybe not."
Oh hell yes they would have done it. If you're nutcase, you can flip out even watching the frakin news. Ban stupid politicians!
karajorma
02-24-2006, 10:42 PM
Violent Videogames are Pornography
And?
They say that like its a bad thing :)
Actually it depends on what they classify as a violent video game. IF they're saying that you get a fine for selling a 12 year old a copy of GTA then I say more power to them. If they're claiming that you can't sell Mario to kids then they're wack jobs who need to be stopped.
Of course the stuff about videogame links to Columbine is rubbish but I've got no problem with someone saying that 18 rated games should only be sold to 18 year olds or above.
Scrogneugneu
02-25-2006, 01:55 AM
I've got no problem with the "an 18-rated game should only be sold to an 18 years old at least", but I've got a problem with what is considered 18+.
Nowadays, killing everything that moves (and even things that don't) is considered less important than pornography. This is wrong. It should be obvious that someone allowed to virtually kill someone else is a bigger problem than someone watching virtual (or real) pornography, as the pornography tends to happen in life and is legal.
They just need to re-order that stuff with the real world and some great logic... what do we need to protect children from? Seeing skin or seeing blood?
Chris
02-25-2006, 04:05 AM
You´ve got your priorites all mixed up in the US and probably in Canada and Britain too. I have never understood why seeing someone naked on the television or in a game can be so much worse than all kinds of violent movies and games. You should concentrate more on preventing children from seeing and experiencing violent tv shows, movies and games.
Seing a nipple or two has never to my knowledge caused anyone any big traumas, but seeing a lot of violent games and movies as very young just may.
You´ve got your priorites all mixed up in the US and probably in Canada and Britain too. I have never understood why seeing someone naked on the television or in a game can be so much worse than all kinds of violent movies and games. You should concentrate more on preventing children from seeing and experiencing violent tv shows, movies and games.
Seing a nipple or two has never to my knowledge caused anyone any big traumas, but seeing a lot of violent games and movies as very young just may.
Word up, man.
The problem is not in what we expose our children to, its how we handle what they see. in our (american) culture, its such a horrible thing to see nudity or violence, only because our culture is so damn crude and immature about those subjects.
karajorma
02-25-2006, 09:35 AM
Well there is the danger that porn can warp the expectations of young minds. I remember watching this show about teenagers attitudes to porn and it contained a scene that was priceless.
This 15 year old was describing how having watched porn had ruined his first time. Apparently he was with his girl, had just gotten naked and the conversation went something like this
Girl : So what now?
Guy : Now I fuck you in the arse, bitch!
Guy : Why are you putting your clothes back on?
Guy : That's what they do in the movies!
Funniest thing I'd seen in bloody ages :lol:
LoL at kara, yet frightening at the same time. Someone missed out on sex-ed class lol.
As for violent video games and movies, nudity, pornography and other visual scenes deemed not suitable for children.
I say sure put a rating on them, enforce them, but don't ban them.
Ultimately how children interpret things are influenced by how others around them interpret things. Parents, teachers, friends, and society.
Personally, I don't believe in fear mongering which seems to be the USA's biggest problem. (Which I think is slowly migrating to other western civilizations.)
I can laugh at hundreds of people being decapitated and killed in games or movies, yet I can shed a few tears when I hear that a 6 year old girl is killed on her way to school. Ultimately because I know what is real, and what is virtual.
People who suggest that a video game is the sole purpose for a murder need some serious educating. Society's to blame, not a fictional world.
Flipside
02-26-2006, 06:31 PM
The problem is not so much the definition, but the fact the only way the Bill made it past the introduction stage was to make it applicable to computer games ONLY, thus prejudicing against them, and proving how deeply in the pockets of the mainstream media politicians actually are.
StarSlayer
02-26-2006, 06:35 PM
Blaming the media for violence is the scapegoat for shitty parenting. You ignore your kids activities and they end up flying off the handle and its gotta be somebody elses fault. Parents should get more involved in what thier kids are doing instead of attacking things that other people can enjoy, how long does it take to look at the ESRB or do a little research online?
Just remeber its a hell of alot easier to give up Rghts and Freedoms then it is to get them back...
Blaming the media for violence is the scapegoat for shitty parenting. You ignore your kids activities and they end up flying off the handle and its gotta be somebody elses fault. Parents should get more involved in what thier kids are doing instead of attacking things that other people can enjoy.
Just remeber its a hell of alot easier to give up Rghts and Freedoms then it is to get them back...
Crappy parenting isn't helped by the news media though. If all you see on the news are stories about child abductions, murders, and attacks etc. What are the parents going to do?
Lock them away and feel safe with them playing computer games and videos rather than going outside and getting fresh air and exercise. Then watch them be mentally traumatized for being unfit in the school etc.
ZipperBlues
02-27-2006, 02:02 AM
Videogames are pornography
Well... I think we all can agree that 12 year olds shouldn't be playing gta...
However, it runs just a little deeper than that.
Primarily, labeling violent videogames as pornography basically voids it's entitlement to first ammendment rights. Now, I haven't got around to reading the actual bill yet, but the issue with most of these bills is that they are really vague as to what constitutes "violent" but also put in harsh penalties to those who violate the law.
So... the general long term effect is simply that stores'll be paranoid, and won't stock anything that could be considered "ultra violent". And thus developers... who're all already trying to shoot for the T-for teen, and having financial issues as is, will then get ultra conservative in game content.
buuuuut the good news is that the utah state supreme court will most likely void this bill cause of constitional issues, along with the "this is retarded" factor.
hopefully... it is utah afterall
karajorma
02-27-2006, 11:12 AM
Well the current rating system seems reasonable. Just drop that fucking idiotic NC-17 rating and give things like GTA and adult rating.
Darth HoJaPe
02-27-2006, 12:44 PM
no i agree with the skroogen-something or other. they rate the wrong things the wrong things. we should not hide reality from kids. its like when we used to not teach children about holocaust. now we do teach them, so they don't never to do that again. if we teach them not to shoot people, then GTA is just, well, a game. and as for that "sexual content" rating it got, thats bull. also i am against censorship. if we dont want our kids to see that crap, make a world where its just fantasy.
no i agree with the skroogen-something or other. they rate the wrong things the wrong things. we should not hide reality from kids. its like when we used to not teach children about holocaust. now we do teach them, so they don't never to do that again. if we teach them not to shoot people, then GTA is just, well, a game. and as for that "sexual content" rating it got, thats bull. also i am against censorship. if we dont want our kids to see that crap, make a world where its just fantasy.
Yeah true. But as long as we clearly teach what should remain phantasy and what is reality too. :)
[dw]-hunter
02-28-2006, 07:26 PM
Well the current rating system seems reasonable. Just drop that fucking idiotic NC-17 rating and give things like GTA and adult rating.
Isnt R 17+ anyways LOL
Selling violent video games to young teens in my opinion not that harmful at all, hell, we all have bad days, video games are one of the best ways to deal with that anger hehe, Shoot a few people in the head and watch them explode. When I was 5 i was playing DOOM 1, and it doesnt effect me socially. So whats the point of enforcing a stupid rating when selling it to the very people who play it the most and are the targeted auidence from the producers? People play these games for fun. Not target practice.
karajorma
03-01-2006, 12:06 AM
-hunter']Isnt R 17+ anyways LOL
That's what I'm on about. What's the point in having a rating system that believes that there is a large difference in what is appropriate for a 17 and 18 year old?
The R rating only existed because X was used for porn and therefore had a stigma attached to it. We're not living in the 70's any more. Just rate everything 18 like we do over in the UK and be done with it!
[dw]-hunter
03-01-2006, 01:55 AM
I still think there should be an X rating, to let people know its a porn.
Scrogneugneu
03-01-2006, 03:12 AM
-hunter']When I was 5 i was playing DOOM 1, and it doesnt effect me socially. So whats the point of enforcing a stupid rating when selling it to the very people who play it the most and are the targeted auidence from the producers? People play these games for fun. Not target practice.
Playing Doom is different. Doom is in an unrealistic world, and your job is to kill unreal creatures.
Games like GTA are made to look as closely as possible to the real world, and your job is to do anything illegal you can think of. If you play this game when yiou're too young, it can affect your judgment.
Nobody is gonna kill somenone else because "man, in Doom it was so cool, with the huge ray gun lol". However, someone playing GTA might get impressed by what they see... and be attracted to it, since it DOES exist in the real world (the one we really care about). The rating system should take that into account when evaluating a violent game.
[dw]-hunter
03-01-2006, 04:39 AM
I didnt like GTA, not enough gore :P
I say set up experiment society's around the world and see what happens. People live in a dome world and bring up children under different values.
Joona
03-01-2006, 09:15 AM
I say set up experiment society's around the world and see what happens.
Remember the Stanford prison experiment? Those guys surely hadn't been playing violent videogames in 1971.
Having an 18 label here is extremely rare. GTA is one, of course. But a game like Singles is 13, and it is a recommendation, not a limit. Even my yougest stepdaughter (then 7 or so) liked to play it after I translated most of it for the kids (it's easy to edit the plain text files).
So you could say we already have "domes" where kids are raised with different values. I guess they call them nations or something :biggrin1:
Joona
I was kinda referring towards a joke at that when I typed it out. :p
National pride always seems to interfere with logic though.
BTW, Zipper, that cartoon. I recall seeing it before but can't remember it. Could you share a linky please? ^.^
ZipperBlues
03-01-2006, 02:43 PM
I was kinda referring towards a joke at that when I typed it out. :p
National pride always seems to interfere with logic though.
BTW, Zipper, that cartoon. I recall seeing it before but can't remember it. Could you share a linky please? ^.^
Certainly. It's Don Hertzefeldt of Bitter Films. Did such films as "Rejected" "billy's balloon" and also featured in the animation show.
http://www.bitterfilms.com
the comics of which I get these pictures from can be viewed here
http://www.bitterfilms.com/anesthetics.html
Joona
03-01-2006, 06:23 PM
I was kinda referring towards a joke at that when I typed it out. :p
National pride always seems to interfere with logic though.
Oh sorry, not familiar with that joke. And national pride has nothing do with this. Just stating a fact that cultures differ in their values even within the "Western" world. I'd rather live in Denmark or Netherlands. They are more liberal than us.
Joona
Certainly. It's Don Hertzefeldt of Bitter Films. Did such films as "Rejected" "billy's balloon" and also featured in the animation show.
http://www.bitterfilms.com
the comics of which I get these pictures from can be viewed here
http://www.bitterfilms.com/anesthetics.html
LoL Cheers. ^.^
@Joona, I meant towards the fact that the 'experiment' already exists and is called Earth. Hence what you said. ;)
I meant national pride in that if you suggested to a nation they adopt certain ideals, one would most likely be stoned to death.
Other countries or nations will sometimes always be fairly appealing, but that's just from what people see of it. Everyone always has their own problems.
That's not to say I discourage it. I want to visit New Zealand. :)
ZipperBlues
03-02-2006, 02:07 PM
Enjoy Grug! I particularly like the man with the huge hat.
"AND THE PUNCHLINE!!! THERE IS A GIANT FOOT COMING OUT OF MY NAVEL"
anyway...
VICTORY!!! VICTORY FOR ZIM!!!!
Videogames are porn bill is taken out back and shot executioner style.
http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/219058.html
Enjoy Grug! I particularly like the man with the huge hat.
"AND THE PUNCHLINE!!! THERE IS A GIANT FOOT COMING OUT OF MY NAVEL"
anyway...
VICTORY!!! VICTORY FOR ZIM!!!!
Videogames are porn bill is taken out back and shot executioner style.
http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/219058.html
Huzzah!
Cows are my friend. << >>
ZipperBlues
03-03-2006, 04:11 PM
Huzzah!
Cows are my friend. << >>
aaahhh... it's nice to see more zim fans around.
I LIKE DOOKIE!!!!
if you liked invader zim, I'd highly recommend the comic series "Lenore" which was written by Roman Dirge, who also wrote a few stories for zim.
Admiral Zaarin
03-03-2006, 04:24 PM
Videogames are porn bill is taken out back and shot executioner style.
http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/219058.html
Hooray!:yes: Now they can think it over and make some frakin sence to it instead of witch hunt.:blah:
EDIT: I know what you mean, Zipp. Politicians tried something similiar here in Finland last year and they were shot down, luckily.
ZipperBlues
03-03-2006, 04:27 PM
Hooray!:yes: Now they can think it over and make some frakin sence to it instead of witch hunt.:blah:
Man how I wish 'frakin sense' was a factor. But really... it's just politicians who wanna get some soccor moms to vote for them in the upcoming elections.
God, we're such a finger pointing society.
Yeah, love zim. :)
I hear they're making a new season, or its just coming out now or something?
I'll have to scout around.
The original series never even made it to Australia. :(
I think its only just showing up now. But I've managed to grab it via other means...
Freelancer
06-28-2006, 05:06 PM
that guy who wants this bill passedlooks like a pediphile.
I think everything depends on your mind level. For example when i was 10, my mind level was larger than schoolmates', and finally my parents allowed me to see some of less-brutal games, like Doom or Quake. As i "advanced" they allowed me for more and now i can play everyting.
Personally i think letting children playing voilent games should depend on parents' WISE decisions, unfortunelly a lot of them can't make them. Law won't change anything here.
Hammerit
07-17-2006, 12:14 PM
Some games are in fact too gore for children. But as the law changes in germany show if a kid at the age of 10-16 wants a game with a 18+ lable he will get it. I think not the state but the parents should control what their children play. To my mind the true problem aren't the games, but the parents, who don't care for what their children do.
SleepyM
07-17-2006, 02:24 PM
WAT A LOAD OF CRAP!
if kids are stupid enough to shoot up schools, then they shuldnt b playing video games in the first place, it takes a certain kind of crazy idiot to want to do something that stupid, hell, they shuld be in a mental home discovering the meaning of the word THERAPY!!!
karajorma
07-17-2006, 03:39 PM
To my mind the true problem aren't the games, but the parents, who don't care for what their children do.
Yes but that would require people to take responsibility for their actions. People don't want to do that. They want to do nothing and find a scapegoat when their laziness backfires on them.
Hammerit
07-19-2006, 04:57 PM
Yes but that would require people to take responsibility for their actions. People don't want to do that. They want to do nothing and find a scapegoat when their laziness backfires on them.
As a lot of parents show who think that watching TV is the best way to educate their children ~.~. They're the same later wondering about why their "babies" are violent. How should the kids know what is right if they never were told about ethics.
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