memories of the arwing

[Fox_McCloud3232]

you know? the arwing has got to be one of the coolest fighters on earth and this thread will have comments about the arwing and get a couple of concept art of what YOUR arwing would look like. pesonally? i choose the sf assault arwing with a few of my own upgrades :) :nod:

[Syphe D. Mar]

Star Fox Assault Arwing. No change. But here's a picture of the 64 Arwing in Versus Mode which happens to look very different from the one in the story and training, possibly as a result of lag and simplicity.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1552/untitledzo9.th.png (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledzo9.png)

[DaBrain]

The Assault Arwing might be the coolest of them all... However, I really liked the original Arwing a lot back then.

In Command, I like the Arwing Fox flies most. Looks like a sleek updgraded Starfox64 Arwing.

Well... I wonder what comes next. ;)

[Fox_McCloud3232]

:D Update: my last post wasn't verry specific so heres an explaination:
My arwing would be the sf assault body and g-diffusors the sf64 engine and the sf command wings. if you put it all together, you get the most AWESOME arwing ever. (tried uploading pics of my lego arwing that i built but they were to big so heres a link to my site: (link removed) go to the starfox tribute page. scroll to the bottom and you'll find them)

[Fox_lylat64]

I like the one they used in starfox64..of those 3 I like the 1st on :P

[Blink]

Hey, 3232, do you mind giving credit to me for the spinning Arwing on your website, since I made it? It would be appreciated, as that can get me in contact with people who might want the model.

[Fox_McCloud3232]

Hey, 3232, do you mind giving credit to me for the spinning Arwing on your website, since I made it? It would be appreciated, as that can get me in contact with people who might want the model.
Sure thing but my comp has been acting up lately thats why i havent gotten around to it yet:nervous: but i will sooner or later :naughty:

[Fox_McCloud3232]

ok blink you are on my credits now

[Devestator]

Edit button is your friend. ;)

[Fox_McCloud3232]

*blushes* oops... forgot about that "friend" -_-'

[Fox_McCloud3232]

anyways back on topic... i really cant wait to see what they come up with for starfox wii

[Devestator]

Edit button is your friend. ;)

*sigh*

[chamin1]

I like the origonal SNES arwing because it's so simple yet wonderfull and it would look realy cool if it had an over sized lzer canon coming out of the hull!!!!!!!!

(I have starfox for the SNES)!!!!!!!

[chamin1]

I realy wish they would make a prequel to star fox for the SNES so you can see what happened to fox's dad!

[CamInHead]

That was kinda explained in StarFox64/Lylat Wars but mid-90s Nintendo games were notorious for breaking/missing continuity.

[Devestator]

Yay for double posting!

Please please, PLEASE use the edit button Chamin1.

As for the prequel, the problem with that is that then they kill the possibilty of James being dead & a ghost/alive/Fox's hallucination.

[Scourge of Ages]

I think one of the coolest looking arwings were Miyu's and Fay's arwings from Starfox 2 (never released so don't ask). The arwings from all the other games were just slight variations on the same design.
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x292/earmite100/Miyusarwing.jpg

[Jester]

I think one of the coolest looking arwings were Miyu's and Fay's arwings from Starfox 2 (never released so don't ask). The arwings from all the other games were just slight variations on the same design.
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x292/earmite100/Miyusarwing.jpg


I thought the 2D versions of them (In the selection screen) looked very cool, but the in game models were a little clunky looking.

[Chrono Reaper]

What's to know about the arwing....

In N64

-Its a D class X-02D Arwing with T&B lasers

-a cockpit made of reinforced polycarbonate and has a life support system that can keep a pilot surviving for over twenty days

-a body made of polyatomic alloy material able to stand temperatures up to 9000 degrees Celsius

-Twin G-diffuser unit which has enough anti-gravity to survive a black hole

-a bomb chute that can hold 9 smart bombs, each one programmed not to hurt the arwigs

Single plasma engine capable of going speeds of mach 4.2 in atmosphere and light speed distances in space for thirty minutes before running out of fuel.

And finally air flaps and folding wings that ajdust to current speed changes allowing it to come to a complete stop.

Sure the arwing is cool but knowing alot about its statistics make you a star Fox fan.
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[takashi]

-freespace vs. starfox rant-


after looking at those stats, i would rather choose a herc. unbreakable cockpits, shields that go out without you going out too, one laser bank with 4 gun mounts (highly compatible with mutliple weapons), and another with 2 mounts. 2 high-capacity missles banks and a top speed ranging form 50 km a second to 128 km a second. it also has docking ports for support ships/rescue ships and a life support system able to keep you alive for up to a month. it can stand up to being in a deimos class warships engine plumes (estimated 10000000 degrees farenheight) for over 3 hours.

slower but more useful and heavy-duty. compared to an arwing, a mobile sentry gun. but it still rocks.

-end rant-

more obsessed fans, feel free to correct any figures that might be wrong.

[Axem]

more obsessed fans, feel free to correct any figures that might be wrong.

Instead of making up "facts", how about you research it? It's not that hard to look at the table stats or even go to the FS Wiki.

Also this isn't the thread for a Star Fox / FreeSpace comparison. This is a thread about the Arwing (64 Arwing FTW btw), so don't derail this thread please.

[Blink]

-Its a D class X-02D Arwing with T&B lasers


No it isn't.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Arwing+X-02D&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Arwing+%22D+class%22&btnG=Search
I've never heard of anything of the sort. Nor has google. It's not in any of the manuals, nor any of the games.

-a cockpit made of reinforced polycarbonate and has a life support system that can keep a pilot surviving for over twenty days

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=arwing+polycarbonate&btnG=Search
Three pages on Arwings and polycarbonate. What are their relations? Companies like to make polycarbonate cases. No relation to the Arwing whatsoever.

-a body made of polyatomic alloy material able to stand temperatures up to 9000 degrees Celsius

Nobody said Celsius. Could be Kelvin. Could be Fahrenheit. Heck, could be Furryheit for all we know.

Also: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=polyatomic+allow+arwing

-Twin G-diffuser unit which has enough anti-gravity to survive a black hole

The G-Diffuser system is an anti-gravity device. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not a unit that has anti gravity, it's simply an anti-gravity device. That's all we know, and that's all we can assuredly say. But yes, it is how one can survive the black hole, if the comics are considered canon.

-a bomb chute that can hold 9 smart bombs, each one programmed not to hurt the arwigs

Yeah, and that's why no one could harm each other in 64's multiplayer.

...oh wait...

Single plasma engine capable of going speeds of mach 4.2 in atmosphere and light speed distances in space for thirty minutes before running out of fuel.

Quit making stuff up. Now.

And finally air flaps and folding wings that ajdust to current speed changes allowing it to come to a complete stop.

You go so far as to defy the most basic of gameplay? You can't stop in the first two Star Fox games! Assault had enhanced G-Diffuser capabilities, but the wing flaps could never stop an Arwing in the old games. You're not making any sense here, and after all the above, it's just gotten me angry.

Sure the arwing is cool but knowing alot about its statistics make you a star Fox fan.
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Yeah, but making up a bunch of fake statistics makes you look like a complete idiot when someone who knows what they're talking about comes along. Chrono, please, don't EVER do something like this again and act like people should accept them as facts. You want a real list to use on the NSider forums as your "I'm a genius" macro? Here, try this out for size...

The Arwing flies with accelerated agility thanks to it's anti-gravity G-Diffuser system. It can take temperatures up to 9000 degrees, but its shield cannot, leaving the Arwing quite vulnerable in heated situations. It is one of a select few model, originally of General Pepper's ships, but as of Star Fox 64, property of the Star Fox team. The ships are housed in the Great Fox, originally a large carrier capable of interplanetary warp, thanks to plasma engines. As of Command though, the Great Fox has changed into a carrier that cannot move, capable only of warp, making it extremely vulnerable to enemy attack. Luckily, it has equipped itself with missiles, so it can defend itself for a short period of time. It is unknown whether the new Great Fox is equally pricey, but the old one required an 80 year loan, which James McCloud himself first took out. Arwings, both old an new, can be reconstructed to become racing vehicles, as evidenced by F-Zero and Star Fox Command. Even with all its advantages, the Arwing is still quite prone, as even at full shields, both wings can be ripped off, reducing its firing system back down to a single laser again. The Arwing, while fragile, is generally considered an extremely high quality ship, the best of the Lylat system at least.

[Scourge of Ages]

Considering hull integrity:
Have you ever seen a car accident, or at least the aftermath? Ever seen what a torpedo can do to a warship? Ever contemplated what would happen if two warships rammed each other?
The point is: No matter how much metal you have, if you run it into something equally hard at high speeds, the two objects are not going to bounce. There will be great destruction, rending and tearing of metal in more directions than you know exist. Having a wing ripped of from repeated scraping against buildings and rocks is amazingly safe.
And about the Herc, against high explosives, theoretically no amount of armor lower than capital class should save you, futuristic or not. And please, 128 km per second? That would mean that the Colossus, Lucifer, Ravenna(?), and all space stations are over 500 kilometers in length. I cannot believe that.

Whew, all done.

[takashi]

heh, my herc beats even a souped up arwing. the only thing i fudged up was engine heat figures....

[AqueousShadow]

To be fair, Blink, you put the search in as "polyatomic allow arwing" which didn't yield any results. Though, it didn't make much of a difference because "polyatomic alloy arwing" didn't yield any results either.

But again, your search queries are a bit too specific. Oh well, point taken.

[Axem]

the only thing i fudged up was engine heat figures....

top speed ranging form 50 km a second to 128 km a second

Nothing in the game goes that fast. It'd be out of the player bounds in 1 - 3 seconds.

[takashi]

oh yeah...its METERS second. anyway, back to arwings.

[Blink]

To be fair, Blink, you put the search in as "polyatomic allow arwing" which didn't yield any results. Though, it didn't make much of a difference because "polyatomic alloy arwing" didn't yield any results either.

But again, your search queries are a bit too specific. Oh well, point taken.

Whoops. >_>

I did do the other searches too though, polyatomic arwing, alloy arwing, etc. And for each and every search, there were no more results for them separated than for them combined.

[Devestator]

Rofl, Ownage all around :lol:

I honestly have no idea how a bomb could be programmed to not harm something. Its an explosion, pure and simple. Thats what bombs are made for. <.<

Also, mine linking me to the site with the "80-year loan" info?

thanks,
Dev

[takashi]

well, theres always a special set of chemicals that create the explosion, while the starfox teams ships are covered in a metal that is resistant to explosions caused by such chemicals. sorta like titanium armor and napalm bombs.

[Chrono Reaper]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f328/BryanAnderson/itsalwaysinabar.png

YOU WANT PROOF HERE YOU GO

The information I got this was from http://members.aol.com/Spires05/arwing.htm

as mentioned in Wikipediea.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arwing and on Arwinglanding.net. arwinglanding.net/articles.php?page=writeups/arwing_evo
It states that before an arwing is given a name it is colored a purple-blue color and is labled with an "X" signifying "Experimental." This being the second arwing made by Space Dynamics before that the "SFX-01 Arwing" or "SFX" as mentioned in the Star Fox comics. Idiotically the name of an experimental aircraft the second model of it's family It is obvious the mark would be labeled "X-02" or "SF-02" Later called the "CAF AR-117A" Arwing was never released to the Cornerian Army, and only distributed to the Star Fox Mercenaries It remains an experimental aircraft...

Also...

The Cockpit I mentioned...

and the Nova Bombs which are found on wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arwing#Nova_Bombs

WHY THE HELL DO YA THINK THEY CALL THEM "SMART BOMBS!!!!"
SURE IN MUTIPLAYER HOW THE HELL ARE YOU ABLE TO KILL EACH OTHER IF YOUR IMMUNE... BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIRST PLAYER STORY MODE...


and so fourth....

AND FOR THE HULL ITS POLYATOMIC ALLOY NOT ALLOW... LOOK IT UP IN THE DICTIONARY... ITS A VERY DENSE METAL THAT IS MADE By THE MILITARY FOR THEIR NEWEST FIGHTER JETS... SOMETHING THAT HOSHI YAMAUCHI AND HIS TEAM OF RESEARCHERS USED TO COMPARE AND THOUGHT ABOUT USING IN THE IDEA WITH THE ARWINGS AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER... (PRE STAR FOX STUFF) I THINK IT MAY BE IN THE EARLY STAR FOX NINTENDO POWER MAGAZINE... TRY ASKING SOMEBODY IF ITS IN THERE... AND IF ITS NOT I'M SORRY... In the mean time here's something familiar to it...
http://arwinglanding.net/articles.php?page=writeups/nomuk

IF YOU ARE GOING TO CORECT ME NEXT TIME ... TRY GOING ON "OTHER" RECORCES BESIDES GOOGLE...

GOD, JUST BECAUSE YOU GO ON GOOGLE YOU THINK IT AUTOMATICALLY MAKES YOU A SCHOLAR!!!!

BUT I MUST ADMIT YOU DID CORRECT A FEW THINGS SUCH AS THE SHIELD IN HEATED SITUATIONS... WHICH I NEVER ADDED IN THAT MATTER...

PARDON MY FRENCH... But IF You want to keep rolloing the fucking dice on this DONT LOOSE YOUR TEMPER... IM ONLY TRYING TO HELP SO DON'T BLAME ME IF SOME OF THE INFO I GET MAY BE ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT... (AT LEAST IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS THE MORMANS OR SCIENTOLOGISTS DO)...

THE INTERNET IS AN UNLIMITED SOURCE OF POWER AND INFORMATION... HOW ARE YOUR RESORCES? TRY TAKING NEWER APROACHES TO NEWER INFORMATION RATHER THAN USING THE SAME CONCREATE ANSWERS WE'VE HEARD A THOUSAND TIMES IN OUR BED TIME STORIES...

*Phew* now how 'bout them cerulians... what happened to their planet... that's a better mystery than what were talking about.... arwings are a given...

WELL IM OFF TO PLAY SF ADVENTURES AND A LITTLE BIT OF SF 2 BEFFORE I HIT THE BUNK.... L8R...

[Blink]

Hey. Please don't start yelling if you're going to tell me to be calm. It's not going to help.

So, on to the facts:

1. As soon as I got to the section entitled "Statistical Data:" in that first webpage, I was proven that it was all junk. Feet? Credits? No. Lylat isn't based on standard currencies. S$ and SFeet. That's how things are measured in Star Fox. It's all over 64. If they don't even know that, then I KNOW they are making things up.

2. Wikipedia is never canon unless it has proper citation and quotation, which this page does not. The smart bomb fact is made up, it is not canon. This can be seen in the player's guide and in the games. It is not properly cited. It is fanon. Maybe Nintendo Power did write about it: but Nintendo Power isn't, quite honestly, the most official source. Most likely, it is called a Smart Bomb because *gasp* it's a smart bomb, and it can lock on to enemies like a charged laser does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_bomb

Note: this wikipedia page is well and thoroughly cited. This proves everything on the page, and it also means it is well moderated, kept clean and healthy, as opposed to the Arwing page. I can use this page to find more links on Smart bombs, which have more accurate information. I checked these links, and they reinforced everything on the Wiki. This is how Wiki pages SHOULD work.

3. The Arwing Landing page does not concern any statistics whatsoever. It is merely a series of opinions based on the visual design of the Arwing. Nothing about how it works, how it's made, etc.

Look: I don't want you thinking that things aren't how they really are. I don't want things to be confusing to you because you know the wrong information. Honestly, you should talk to DZ if he's still around here. He's the king of canon.

(Ps. Way to not read my reply. I know what an alloy is, and I did look it up, and, *gasp*, no results. Just like I did the first time. I'm sorry that I misspelled it when I combined both words in the same search. But whatever, I guess that doesn't matter, since you seem to dismiss the largest source of official information on the internet: Google, where you can find everything)

[Chrono Reaper]

I'll say it again... It ain't my fault if what i read is bullshit...because i read a lot of star fox crap and it takes a lot to sort through the cannon and stuff but you got to admit I at least did some research and i was telling the truth... even if it wasn't hard core facts... so don't call me a liar... I do read through the internet. and the reason why I used caps was to get your attention, just because there caps doesn't mean I'm yelling except the ones that are in "!!!"

Yeah I would love to know very detailed info about the arwing. And sorry, I'm suffering vertigo after going to Six Flags... I'm messed up pretty bad... I swear I would think a ride in an Arwing's better than going on those ride....

If you want hard core facts don't go on google... or if you have to go on this instead...
http://scholar.google.com/

Pretty much all the stuff that is cannon is the stuff that is in the game i know that for sure...

But if there's more to this Star Fox that my Life grew interest in ever since i was a kid... then I'd like to know... because anything besides hearing it in the game I'm clueless except what is said in the Official Nintendo Power Magazines and one to one conversations with Hoshi Yamauchi. The Only thing that I'm not a hundred percent on are the statistics of vehicles and equipment, and Lylat system. Other then that I'm good...

because I tried looking forever trying to find statistics and cannon info about the Weapons they use

BTW you left out something in that section under the"Smart Bomb" Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_bomb#Fictional_uses_of_the_term_.22smart_bom b.22

But... Then Again...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f328/BryanAnderson/p59.jpg

[Jester]

What the hell is it that keeps y'all interested in StarFox?

If it's the Arwing, you should remember, it doesn't exist in the real world, and it changes from game to game because StarFox is a very inconsistent series when it comes to just about anything.

But hey, one thing that (most of) the games do have in common is fun, weakpoint blasting action. That's what I treasure about the games. I don't know, maybe I could spend my time pretending made-up specifications for a made up space ship that flies around in a made up galaxy really mattered to the fun of the games, but I guess I just have better things to do.

Cheers.

[CamInHead]

isn't "smartbomb" just a term carried over from old school 2D shooters (R-Type, Super Aleste etc) ?

[DaBrain]

@Chrono Reaper and Blink

Please keep things polite in here. I don't want to stop your discussion, but if thinghs heat up more, I'll close the thread.


isn't "smartbomb" just a term carried over from old school 2D shooters (R-Type, Super Aleste etc) ?

Gameplay-wise it is. I remember the good old days with Crystal Quest... ;)

However, I think the radius of the explosion got smaller from one game to the next. So the last incarnations of the Novabomb are less 'arcade'.

[Blink]

Alright, I'll just wrap up my end then:

Chrono: You may have the best intentions, but I think you need to spend more time making sure your resources are accurate. For the best bet: everything in the games is true, everything outside the games is in question. There are canon sources here and there, but they're hard to come by, so it's usually best to be skeptical of any information you hear outside the game. I apologize for calling you a liar, I was wrong in that, you were simply misinformed in the first place, and I should not have jumped to the conclusion that you were the one who made those statistics up.

[Devestator]

WOW! You showed me how SMART you are via your BRILLIANT use of CAPTIAL LETTERS :lol:

jk, just meant as a joke, please don't hurt me. :nervous:


isn't "smartbomb" just a term carried over from old school 2D shooters (R-Type, Super Aleste etc) ?

Smartbomb:
"Precision-guided munitions (smart munitions, smart bombs, guided bomb units or GBUs) are guided weapons intended to maximize damage to the target while minimizing "collateral damage." Because the damage effects of an explosive weapon fall off with distance according to a power law, even modest improvements in accuracy (and hence reduction in miss distance) enable a target to be effectively attacked with fewer or smaller bombs. Thus, even if some bombs miss, fewer air crews are put at risk and collateral damage is somewhat reduced. The creation of precision-guided munitions resulted in the renaming of older bombs as "gravity bombs", "dumb bombs" or "iron bombs"."

So, technically, it is a type of bomb, not just a name given to a game by a bunch of geeks (geeks ftw!)

[Chrono Reaper]

I'm sorry too... I thought it over and I would like to appologize for my course of action and take responsibility and accept my punishment... I shouldn't have acted that way either, and I'm sorry to all the members of the Game Warden Forum...

Which brings me to my deepest apologies to what i had said in these past comments... I was out of hand and should have thought about thinking of another more mature way of saying it.

[karajorma]

So, technically, it is a type of bomb, not just a name given to a game by a bunch of geeks (geeks ftw!)

Yes but that's not the meaning that it was being used for in Starfox. It was indeed a smart bomb in the sence of a bomb that kills or damages all onscreen opponents.

Anyone who actually started playing scrolling shoot-em-ups before Starfox is going to have much the same opinion. And if you doubt that, try imagining what Defender (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_%28arcade_game%29) would be like in 3D. :)

[DZComposer]

Honestly, you should talk to DZ if he's still around here. He's the king of canon.


Woah... I think you're the first one to ever call me that. o.O

Anyhows, yes, the Wikipedia Star Fox pages are not to be trusted. I have given up on editing them myself, as every time I do someone removes cited Canon material and replaces it with crap.

Little is known about the actual technology involved in the Arwing.

In fact, there isn't any concrete evidence that I am aware of that states that Arwing and Great Fox were actually redesigned between SF64 and SFAs. Remember, there were different artists working on these games.

This is the biggest problem with the SF Fandom right now: People forget the human game designers element. No two SF games were developed by the same company, though SF64 and SFC had many of the same people, there were still plenty of new names on that credits roll.

The SF Canon is a bit of a mess right now because of this, but SFC started to clean it up a bit, and hopefully the next game will clean it further.

Don't believe anything you read unless it is cited to one of the following sources:
SF64 Game
SF64 Manual
SF64 Player's Guide
SFAd Game
SFAd Manual
SFAs Game
SFAs Manual
SFC Game (Explains a good bit of backstory on some routes)
SFC Manual

The inclusion of material from the SNES game is a topic of debate. I personally believe that anything in that game that is not contradicted by the new canon should stay, but you'll find plenty of people who don't think that.

The Japanese Canon is more detailed, but does have some slight differences. Though I am not "the king" of the Japanese canon.

All in all, be weary of things not published directly by Nintendo. Nintendo Power is an exception, though. Somehow they lost track of game canon in several series.

NONE of the comics are canon. They were not designed to be. They were merely marketing materials.

[takashi]

we must put more ffort into researching japanese canon, as its the original. as said with the "megaman" games by its hardcore fans, you cant trust that messed up american version.

anyone with me?

[Chrono Reaper]

The inclusion of material from the SNES game is a topic of debate. I personally believe that anything in that game that is not contradicted by the new canon should stay, but you'll find plenty of people who don't think that.



Actually I have to object on saying that the original SNES Star Fox has any connection to the entire Star Fox series at all...

From what I heard from the creators of Star Fox 64 and Hoshi Yamauchi, Star Fox 64 was suppose to be a remake of the original Star Fox game, one with better graphics and a well plotted storyline to make better sense of the original one so they can plan on making more sequels to the series... or at least that's what I am aware of...

The sorces I got this was from Arwinglanding.net, and I believe Nintendo Power's 1997 issue on the release of Star Fox 64...

Check them out they're there...

[Blink]

we must put more ffort into researching japanese canon, as its the original. as said with the "megaman" games by its hardcore fans, you cant trust that messed up american version.

anyone with me?

I've actually already done a great deal of research on this. While I myself cannot read Japanese, I took advantage of the opportunity to see the work of others who translated the Star Fox 64 Manual (out of Japanese), and posted my findings in this topic:

http://arwinglanding.net/forum/index.php?topic=10961.0

It's far too long to copy and paste, but we've discovered that the Lylat System actually revolves around a star named Lylat. This makes it clear that Solar is not the sun of the Lylat System. Is it a star though? Well, the games clearly call it a planet, and the Star Fox 64 player's guide clearly calls it a star. So, really, we don't know.

Also: Andross was a confined scientist, Papetoon has been canon since 64, Fox grew up on Papetoon, and James didn't survive Venom.

[Chrono Reaper]

and James didn't survive Venom.

Your wrong Blink...

There is no evidence anywhere saying that James died or survived the incident of Venom...we don't even know who killed him...or tried to or even at all...

Fox McCloud only asumes his father died because Peppy told him about what happened based on his opinionn assuming what most likley happened... but we don't know for certain seeing the info on the SF64 prologue stretches oh so far on the details, just what you need to know...

as it clearly stated in the prologue of SF64

"Uppon there arrival, Pigma betrayed the team and James and Peppy were captured by Andross. Peppy barley escaped Venom, and returned home to tell James's son, Fox about his father's fate"

"Fate of what though?"

the only thing we know for certain is that Pigma betrayed the team somewhat at there destination on Venom, and being captured by Andross. And Peppy was the only one left who was able to escape after the ambush, there's nothing in the game that mentions James dying during the ambush and the crash (or if there was even a crash to begin with)...

It's just the fate of James being MIA on Venom. No one knows for certain if he even survived or died, just that he's no longer in the life of Fox McCloud's dwindled family.

If he were to die it would have said it directly instead of not being specific of what fate inflicted him... so don't be suprised if you see him in the next Star Fox games as a suprise, just warning you before you embarass yourself in the future IF we find out he does come back... Thats IF though...

after all he was a playable character in one of the ending missions on Star Fox Command so who knows at this point for certain If he's dead or alive... my opinion he's both... almost like he's in limbo or something.

He chooses to be non existant therefore he doesn't appear in the series, but reflections and shadows of him appear... like the time Fox escaped venom and a ghostly James helped him escaped the laberynth shafts or the Apparoid queen using James McCloud as a distraction to stop Fox from completing the mission.

So who knows for certain, all we know is that it can't be both or can it? maybe as the SF series progresses we will see more light shedding on this to see what REALLY happened and then judge... Untill then this comment is futile as it is less important seeing it has no advantage in the series...That's if Nintendo wants him back to play a role in another SF videogame... No more, no less...

(I swear i can hear Jack Sparrow's voice from Pirates saying this if he were a fan of Star Fox)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gRcj6CAhe7s

[Blink]

No, actually, I'm NOT wrong. Sadly. Maybe you didn't completely read my post, but I got all this information from the Japanese Star Fox 64 Manual. To quote IGN's translation...

Andorf set a trap for James and Peppy, from which James did not survive.

See?

And to expand upon that:

Most likely, the English version left the possibility there because we do not believe as much in the possibility of one who is dead coming back from death, whether to deliver a message, complete their cause, or whatever. We don't buy it. We think that if someone is dead, they stay dead. In Japan, they're a lot more open to the possibility of someone coming back from death, of gods being false gods, of man becoming a false god, etc. All kinds of spiritual and religious things because of their government, which used to (I doubt it still does) believe that whomever was the emperor at that time was the human embodiment of God. This, of course, caused problems when an emperor was overthrown.

[Devestator]

http://www.chrono.reaper.justgotowned.com :lol:



Don't you hurt me either. :nervous:

Just a joke, don't take it personally. I've been wanting to use that for a long time.


this thread will have comments about the arwing and get a couple of concept art of what YOUR arwing would look like. pesonally?


You'll notice he did not say "Arguing about the Arwing's performance statistics." ;)

So can we PLEASE stop arguing and calling each other liars?

Thanks,

:) Have a nice day :)
Devestator

[DZComposer]

Blink is the king of the Japanese Canon. :D

[Jester]

Most likely, the English version left the possibility there because we do not believe as much in the possibility of one who is dead coming back from death, whether to deliver a message, complete their cause, or whatever. We don't buy it. We think that if someone is dead, they stay dead.

Seems like diction is the only difference the two then.

The real difference between the two versions would be the meaning (or permanence) of death, had they chosen to use death in English versions.

Sounds reasonable to me. It may complicate things for you extremists though.:lol:

[AqueousShadow]

Plus the fact that when Japanese games, or any other products for that matter, move through translation, they are slightly tinted in order to be more friendly to the younger audiences. As ridiculous as it sounds, things like "death" are euphemized.

Consider Yu-gi-oh. Terrible translations aside, things like demon are changed to fiend. Any monsters that are supposed to have "death" in front of their name just use the romanization of the Japanese pronunciation of the word, "des," turning Death Koala into Des Koala.

So, it makes perfect sense that they would call James' death his "fate," which is the same thing in this context. What else would Peppy have told Fox?
And consider the fact that when you fight Star Wolf, Pigma taunts Fox with "Too bad daddy isn't here to hear you scream!" Sorry, but it's just obvious.

If James was really alive after Fox defeated Andross, and he led Fox out of the tunnel, would you not think he would want to see his son? Would you not think he would want to visit his old friends? Why would he just ditch Fox after pulling him out of that fire? Blink already explained this apparition of James. There's a tiny chance that there is a complex backstory to explain these questions and still have James alive, but given the oh-so-complex stories we've been given so far, I'd say it's no where near likely.

[Jester]

consider the fact that when you fight Star Wolf, Pigma taunts Fox with "Too bad daddy isn't here to hear you scream!" Sorry, but it's just obvious.

I'm pretty indifferent to the James enigma, but to be fair, who's to say pigma would know what exactly what happened to James?

A very long time ago I decided that James was dead until further notice.

[Chrono Reaper]

http://www.chrono.reaper.justgotowned.com :lol:


ROFLMAO:lol:

HAHAHAHAHAHA LOL

DUDE YOU GOT TO TELL ME HOW TO DO THAT...

anyways... I know James McCloud is as good as dead... even though in the american series that they kept it in a more atheist way, rather than keeping the original japanese storyline.

I never knew that BTW... i knew it was different. I'm glad I know this, But in a way I think i already knew seeing that in the Bolse mision Pigma says

"Daddy scream reeeeeaaaallllllll good before he died!"

How did I forgot that...

"Can't be owned who has been owned all my life..."

BTW what's your friend ID for SF command... I want to seriously kick your ass now... on multiplayer.

[takashi]

http://www.fox.mcloud.justgotowned.com

just change the name!

[Devestator]

It's "Mccloud", not "Mcloud" :eek2:

http://www.takashi.DoYouHaveEpilepsy.com

:lol:

EDIT: Nice Avatar Chrono, it's kinda nice. I'll post my code later, once i find my game. (It fell into this bin [no, not the trash, :P ] and i haven't found it yet.

EDIT AGAIN: Lastly:

I never knew that BTW... i knew it was different. I'm glad I know this, But in a way I think i already knew seeing that in the Bolse mision Pigma says

"Daddy scream reeeeeaaaallllllll good before he died!"



Well, what did you expect him to say?

"Daddy screamed reeeeeeealllllllll good before he disappeared into thin air"?

[takashi]

GAH! my eyes!

[Devestator]

But... Then Again...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f328/BryanAnderson/p59.jpg


I realise this isn't cannon, but I'm fighting fire with fire.

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7640/p58xe4.jpg

Slippy would hardly say that if the landmaster was impervious to its own bombs.

Just a thought.

[Blink]

Sorry Chrono. My styluses are all dirty, so they scratch up my screen. I can only play button/digital control DS games atm. I need to buy some new styluses.

[Chrono Reaper]

Sorry Chrono. My styluses are all dirty, so they scratch up my screen. I can only play button/digital control DS games atm. I need to buy some new styluses.



Whats the matter?!?

http://scared.ytmnd.com/

http://www.matrix.ytmnd.com/

[Blink]

...wtf?

Dude, you don't think it sucks for me that I can't play Command? Or Hunters? Nintendogs or Meteos? Kirby or Yoshi's Island? Yes, of course it sucks. But you know what? I don't play many DS games anymore. I play Pokemon and Animal Crossing, neither of which requires the touch screen for anything. I really don't care enough about your little irks to "settle this" that I'm going to spend money on it. If you can't stand that, too bad. Deal with it. Nobody's going to rush out and buy battle armor just to have a fight with you because you're trying to pick one.

[Chrono Reaper]

I was also talking to Devistator too as a comback to him saying that i got owned... sorry if you cant participate... I feel disapointed...
Aww well it's just a game, I was hoping to play with somebody a quick game of SF Command in this forum site...

DZ Composer, Da Brain, what about you guys? up to a game of SFC?

If it sucks that mutch Blink I'll mail you a dozen new styluseses in your mail... I have hundreds of them at home.
If you are in need of one just give me a reply and I'll mail em to ya buddy... no joke. After all what are aquaintences for? And face it what are the chances of a guy ever saying to you he'll give you free stylusseses in the mail ever again?

sorry if I went overboard taunting you like that... My "SOCOM Fire Team Bravo 2" side of me took over on that last reply.

[Devestator]

Im getting to the bottom of the thing and will find it soon. :D

Hehe, you know those old wii-controller straps that had to be replaced? I tied one to the DS, tied another one to the first one, and tied the stylus to the second one. Never lost it again. :nod:

[Chrono Reaper]

lets play like right now then...

wana exchange friend codes?

[Blink]

Sorry Chrono. I don't like giving out personal data over the internet. I'll buy my own styluses someday though, gotta play Phantom Hourglass when it comes out, no?

[takashi]

if you two want to kick eachothers tails over the net "starfox style", wait for the shadows of lylat demo. it has mulit from what i've read.

[Blink]

...

Thank you Takashi. I am absolutely certain that none of us knew that.

[takashi]

you wei that message was mopre for CR than it was for you, blink.

[Blink]

Whoops. >_> Mah bad. Didn't realize he'd only been here two months.

[Jester]

Sorry Chrono. I don't like giving out personal data over the internet. I'll buy my own styluses someday though, gotta play Phantom Hourglass when it comes out, no?

A friend code is hardly personal data. If you're worried about anyone ELSE seeing it, you could just PM it to him.

You can remove him if you want to later anyway, can't you?

(It's been a while since I've played online with my DS)

[Chrono Reaper]

no he was mentioning about the mailing address for me to give him several styluses for free so we can play online on SF Command...

[Blink]

^yeah, Chrono's got it.

[takashi]

use a pencil with its lead broke off, or one of those plastic paintbrushes. its not like nintendo kills you for not using their styluses...

[Jester]

no he was mentioning about the mailing address for me to give him several styluses for free so we can play online on SF Command...

Oh... hahaha.

You can buy a stylus for pretty cheap...

[Chrono Reaper]

friend codes everyone... i'm playing right now till sunrise...

[Blink]

Takashi, the idea is to NOT scratch my DS screen. >_<

[takashi]

making your own stylus:

buy a pair of chopsticks or use a similar item
round both ends of one chopstick/similar item
sand both ends
sand whole chopstick/item until its lost about 20% of its mass
sand the ends some more
soak in olive oil for about 3 hours
let dry
use

repeat for other styluses. the "other item" should hav the properties of a wooden chopstick. a good example is a small wooden dowl.

trust me, this is how i make my styluses and my DS screen has no scratches.

[Chrono Reaper]

You must be really cheap or very creative to come up with that one , takashi...

esp. since you can get them for a dollar... at EB Games or GameStop

[Fox_McCloud3232]

Holy Crap I Need To Check This Thing More Often!

[takashi]

its degenerated into HLP style "snail spam"!

[Jester]

...wtf?

Dude, you don't think it sucks for me that I can't play Command? Or Hunters? Nintendogs or Meteos? Kirby or Yoshi's Island? Yes, of course it sucks. But you know what? I don't play many DS games anymore. I play Pokemon and Animal Crossing, neither of which requires the touch screen for anything. I really don't care enough about your little irks to "settle this" that I'm going to spend money on it. If you can't stand that, too bad. Deal with it. Nobody's going to rush out and buy battle armor just to have a fight with you because you're trying to pick one.

You should be able to play hunters without any problems as long as you still have your wrist strap. The little nub on there isnt just for looks.

[Scourge of Ages]

Most electronic or game stores will sell a special pack for the DS. Usually they include screen protectors for both screens so that the original one don't get scratched, and one or two spare stylii. The whole package cost between 5 and 10 bucks, maybe less. The screen protectors are replacable, for when they get scratched up.

p.s. I think I made up "stylii" but it could work.

[Fox_McCloud3232]

GEEZ CAN WE GET BACK ON TOPIC?! this server is for talking about the arwing! not for personall issues (sorry about yours with the double posting devastator)

[Syphe D. Mar]

Two... weeks... ago... -_-