Who is responsible!?

[Flammenwerfer fox]

Alright, there's no denyin' it, the SF series has gone down hill. This thread is to discuss when, how and why, and to talk about how they can be fixed and how they could've been avoided.

Also, you can consider this the unofficial beat-it-up thread. So feel free to bash any of the games as long as you give some sort of reason for your opinion.

[Linebeck]

Wasn't around for snes, but played it. It was a good go.
64 was the best.
Adventures is good for ages 0-0
Assault was a okay comeback, but need more.
Command reflected Assault in the way, but ultimately shut down the series.
Snes 2 was awesome, but I'm glad it wasn't released.

Overall, the only thing that can save the series is a reboot. *not re-new though*
I still would like the same characters, only better games.

[MarekMcCloud]

^ we think very similarly.
Ohh, and Kid Cudi... What do you listen to?

[trying not to derail!!!]

[Star Yoshi]

And my reboot idea gets a +1

[dragonsniper]

Whichever one came out for the DS was (IMO) the one that killed the series the most. Adventures was a good atempt, but it failed to capture the Starfox charm that the 64 had. Assault was also really good, but more missions and a better storyline (not the same old "kill the queen" storyline) needed a change. I really liked the ground battles add on for Assault, but there was no "burning lava planet" or "underwater missions" that added to the variety that made SF64 so popular. As long as they don't release another slaughter game like the DS's one, add more missions, and more variety, then a "good" reboot is entirely possible.

[MarekMcCloud]

Muhaaa ha ha ha, another person that liked the on-ground missions! But the on ground missions could use more "modern day shooter" layout. Not the "Go destroy the hatchers to release the big hatchers and then the bigger hatchers ect ect ect. (Like halo, Gaw or Cod. Not first person, of course)

Command never happened :3
Reboot ftw!

[DaBrain]

Imho Star Fox Command was a step into the right direction.

Maybe that's the problem. I liked it, because in my eyes it went a step back a to the roots. Maybe that worked better for players of the SNES game, than all the other players.

That's just a guess though...

[Slycan]

It's Adventures Fault.

The End.

If Adventures never happened we wouldn't have plot holes the size of of a pit-bull breeding dogs back side.

[sacrificabominat]

It's Adventures Fault.

The End.

If Adventures never happened we wouldn't have plot holes the size of of a pit-bull breeding dogs back side.

Though I like Adventures I agree that it was the first game to mess up Star Fox's story, but the problem I see right now is that everyone wants to continue the screwed up story. The thing is that no Nintendo series has been bound by prequel plot. The only thing that seemed to drag on from adventures was Krystal and Sauria which are love hate plot holes in the series. Now I actually think about the ending with Marcus and think that having telepathic abilities while flying the Arwing would be interesting because you would know when and where some enemies would show up. I just can't get over the fact that Marcus is basically Fox with blue fur. This kind of makes me hate that ending because it is dropping fox for a character that is basically the same in attitude and ambition. The fact that Miyamoto mentioned that he was concerned for the series might mean that he plans to revamp it so a new crowd could enjoy it, so the possibility of Marcus is probably going to be higher in the next official Star Fox game. Just look for it at E3 or TGS sometime in the next year or so. I'm sure Miyamoto wants to bring it back because older series are being revamped right and left by Nintendo. Look at Mother and Kid Icarus for example Mother 3 which is not in America yet might be coming to the DS some time in the future, and Kid Icarus has been popping its head out every once in a while. Just hope Nintendo makes Star Fox Wii/HD sometime soon.

[Flaming Cobra]

Ultimately, Star Fox Adventures was the beginning of the downfall, but command killed it. If Nintendo admits command never happened and we go back to blasting up the Venomians and make sure Star Wolf NEVER EVER HELPS US AGAIN, it'd be possible to continue with the story we have now.

And Flammenwerfer, you need to get AIM since my PMs have been limited to 1 every 30 minutes.

[Flammenwerfer fox]

Ultimately, Star Fox Adventures was the beginning of the downfall, but command killed it. If Nintendo admits command never happened and we go back to blasting up the Venomians and make sure Star Wolf NEVER EVER HELPS US AGAIN, it'd be possible to continue with the story we have now.

And Flammenwerfer, you need to get AIM since my PMs have been limited to 1 every 30 minutes.

Yeah, I was like "WTF, I want to KILL Wolf, not buddy up with him!"

And what the heck is with the limitation of PMs? I've only asked an SoL member about the game like once, to Brock but I'm not sure if I really did. And when it comes to PMs, those are big with me because I'm a social guy and I like to talk to people.

Did you bug a team member Cobra?

Ok, I just ran into that new feature myself, HUGE INCONVINIENCE. I'd urge whoever did that to reconsider that. There are tons of interesting people here to talk to and befriend, and this PM restriction thing is major hindrance. I mean, yeah, I send out a lot of PMs to people, but most of those are to my friends. And when it's not to one of my friends, I don't bombard them with messages, I take a hint, I know when to leave people be.

[karajorma]

The PM thing is temporary while we deal with the plague of PM spambots we've been getting lately.

[Flammenwerfer fox]

The PM thing is temporary while we deal with the plague of PM spambots we've been getting lately.


Ok, thanks for giving me an answer. It's a huge pain.

Gosh I hope it ends soon.

EDIT: Ok everyone continue this thread like this little episode didn't happen, alright?

[MarekMcCloud]

Cobra, I think It might of been my fault. I didn't like having a gajillion of your messages on my profile and I tried to delete them. But it kept giving me the response as if I was deleting them b/c of spam. I know you weren't spamming me I just didn't want so many of you messages on my profile I:

Now, according to the Game-Warden Forums machine, you are a spammer. woops!
Or maybe not. *shrugs*

[Slycan]

its your mom's fault.

[karajorma]

It's no one's faults except the spammers (who definitely aren't members of this community). The limit on PMs are global and only a few people (like admins who are in a separate usergroup) aren't going to be affected by them.

Hopefully we can keep the restrictions in place for a short a time as possible.

[MarekMcCloud]

its your mom's fault.
THAAATTTSSS WWWHHHAAAATTT SSSHHHHEEEE SSSAAAIIIDDDD!!!!!!
http://media.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/the_state_worker/the%20office.jpg

[Flaming Cobra]

This topic got derailed.

[Flammenwerfer fox]

This topic got derailed.

No shit Mr. obvious. HAVE ANOTHUH COOKIE!

[Slycan]

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yay I'm not the only one on my period today ....GASP
http://i30.tinypic.com/w02tn6.jpg

[Fox_McCloud3232]

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yay I'm not the only one on my period today ....GASP
http://i30.tinypic.com/w02tn6.jpg

lulz. yeah flamenwerfer needs a midol XD

[MarekMcCloud]

:3 epic thread is epic!

[paintballadict9]

only playes SNES game 4 like 10 min so cant give opinion
never played SNES2 game....
64 was great and made me giddy lol
I dont get why so many people hate adventures...I loved it personally...
assult was too short....but fun nonetheless
command needs 2 be memory wiped from all of us

*attempt at getting back on topic*

[Fox_McCloud3232]

Necro threeeeeeeeeeeeeead

[paintballadict9]

taco?

[Fox_McCloud3232]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2623/threadnecromancygp3.jpgI think there was an internet rule somewhere stating that dead threads shouldn't come back to life XD

[paintballadict9]

ahh i see...well then good bye good sir!
lol

[Flammenwerfer fox]

I can't believe you dredged this thing back up from the grave! WHAT THE HELL!? EVEN I DIDN'T WANNA SEE THIS THING COME BACK!

Let it die.

[Falco314]

c'mon, it's not so old .---.

i've done worse, i bumped once a thread that was like dead for months, maybe years.

[Fox_McCloud3232]

c'mon, it's not so old .---.

i've done worse, i bumped once a thread that was like dead for months, maybe years.

:lol: i remember that XD

[Falco314]

:lol: i remember that XD

i knew you would do. xD

[MarekMcCloud]

Falco remembers when I bumped those old threads right? lol
This is the first forum I've ever really been active on, back then I didn't even know how to insert an image! I feel like a village elder now.
Come young ones and learn the ways of the thread!

[Falco314]

Falco remembers when I bumped those old threads right? lol
This is the first forum I've ever really been active on, back then I didn't even know how to insert an image! I feel like a village elder now.
Come young ones and learn the ways of the thread!

oh yes.



same here marek, but with a slower posting rate. x3

[Fox_McCloud3232]

Haha you young'uns have much more to learn XD i've been on this forum for just over 3 years :lol:

[MarekMcCloud]

oh yes.



same here marek, but with a slower posting rate. x3

I did post a sh*tload when I first joined. Hey, have to get posts up somehow! ;)

Can we make this a "talk about whatever the F we want thread? I really would want one of those. So like, no saying "DE_RAILEDEDED THREAD A HIZZLEEE!$" k? :cool1:

[Falco314]

Haha you young'uns have much more to learn XD i've been on this forum for just over 3 years :lol:

you've JUST completed 3 years over here at GW u-u

BTW, each generation seems to post even faster than the other doesn't it? xD

[Fox_McCloud3232]

well it's because i like to stalk the forums now as things are getting much more interesting around here.

[MarekMcCloud]

you've JUST completed 3 years over here at GW u-u

BTW, each generation seems to post even faster than the other doesn't it? xD


Thatsa good thing right? :P

[Falco314]

I did post a sh*tload when I first joined. Hey, have to get posts up somehow! ;)

Can we make this a "talk about whatever the F we want thread? I really would want one of those. So like, no saying "DE_RAILEDEDED THREAD A HIZZLEEE!$" k? :cool1:

Man, no saying that? Flammen is gonna get angry. xD

i bet that when he reads this he'll try to find me and shoot me... aww whatever. :3

[Falco314]

GOOD LORD PEOPLE LET'S STOP POSTING SO FAST! xD

[Fox_McCloud3232]

Omg double post!!!!!!!! Falco you just broke teh ruel of teh intrawebz and teh forumz d8

[MarekMcCloud]

I LOVE THIS TREAD YAYYYYYZZZ!
I have a gut feeling axem is somewhere here... *looks over shoulder*

[Falco314]

Omg double post!!!!!!!! Falco you just broke teh ruel of teh intrawebz and teh forumz d8

you guys were posting so fast i figured there would be alterady 10 posts until i managed to get THAT done x-x

[Fox_McCloud3232]

LOL yeah umm. XD *looks around* i hope he's not waiting in the shadows ready to pull out the bann hammer XD

[Falco314]

I LOVE THIS TREAD YAYYYYYZZZ!
I have a gut feeling axem is somewhere here... *looks over shoulder*

Dabrain is online and i bet he is watching us and loling at our stupidness. :nervous:

[Fox_McCloud3232]

LOL i bet you're right

[Falco314]

i always am. [/lies

Andross is online, will he join us?

BTW, i bet this is the day with most posts in the history of SoL! :P

[Fox_McCloud3232]

XD i think i'll have to agree with you there. if not, it's the most OFF TOPIC posts

[Falco314]

XD i think i'll have to agree with you there. if not, it's the most OFF TOPIC posts

Man, let's use this day as day of off-topicness to annoy flammen in the future :B

[Fox_McCloud3232]

Oh you can bet he'll come here and have a huge shit at us for doing this XD

[Falco314]

Oh you can bet he'll come here and have a huge shit at us for doing this XD

oh yeah...
Ol' blind(still referencing he confusing you with marek) flammen will shit bricks when he sees this XD

[Fox_McCloud3232]

heck fuck the bricks, he'll shit boulders XD

[Falco314]

heck fuck the bricks, he'll shit boulders XD

if we want to make things in excess let's just make him shit planets! xD

good lord, 99% of my posts are quoting something >.>

[Fox_McCloud3232]

if we want to make things in excess let's just make him shit planets! xD

good lord, 99% of my posts are quoting something >.>

lol planets AND everything on them *fuck we are SO dead when he reads these*:lol:

[Falco314]

lol planets AND everything on them *fuck we are SO dead when he reads these*:lol:

Yeah :lol:

shouldn't we stop before mods put one of those "banned for being a stupid asshat" on us?






nah.

[Fox_McCloud3232]

lol unfortunately if i get banned many people will be upset. let's hope the most they do is close the thread ^^;
Ban hammer = do not want

[Falco314]

lol unfortunately if i get banned many people will be upset. let's hope the most they do is close the thread ^^;
Ban hammer = do not want

Ban Hammer is scary.:nervous:
GOOD LORD, SHIVANS WITH BAN HAMMERS! :shaking:

i just wet myself D:

[Fox_McCloud3232]

Worse would be if Flammenwerfer got a hold of it XD

[MarekMcCloud]

Worse would be if Flammenwerfer got a hold of it XD
no.

if werfer was an admin...

hahaha


hahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL!!!!

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE?

[Falco314]

Worse would be if Flammenwerfer got a hold of it XD

OH MY GAWD.
I don't fear the apocalypse.
I don't fear messing with the huge guys from my school that are are like 7 times taller and stronger than i am.
But the image of Flammenwerfer with a Banhammer makes me shake xD

[Fox_McCloud3232]

OH MY GAWD.
I don't fear the apocalypse.
I don't fear messing with the huge guys from my school that are are like 7 times taller and stronger than i am.
But the image of Flammenwerfer with a Banhammer makes me shake xD

You and me both man, you and me both :lol:

[Falco314]

oh no epic thread is dead! TT--TT (?)

BTW, i just realized we were turning this into random epic thread for random crap from Flammen's thread... xD

[MarekMcCloud]

I just slowed down. Everything kinda just stopped...

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[Falco314]

I just slowed down. Everything kinda just stopped...

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LOL, fail triforce D:

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there, fixed x3


i was smewhat hoping flammen was the one that posted here.
his angry "SHUT UP AND LET IT DIE!" posts always make me laugh :D

[Fox_McCloud3232]

LOL, fail triforce D:

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there, fixed x3

Epic trifroce is epic ;)

[Falco314]

Epic trifroce is epic ;)

Epic thread is epic again \õ/


BTW, lol at your avatar marek

[Fox_McCloud3232]

Epic thread is epic again \õ/

that it is. also i would like to direct your attention to my thread. *your texture is in the game*

[Falco314]

that it is. also i would like to direct your attention to my thread. *your texture is in the game*

D-mac is watching us :nervous:

[Fox_McCloud3232]

D-mac is watching us :nervous:

Uh oh :nervous:

[Slycan]

I didn't make a post yet.
so.
<3

[Fox_McCloud3232]

I didn't make a post yet.
so.
<3
LOL even slycan has gotten in on the off topic action :lol:

[Falco314]

Yippie! \õ/

i feel like each post i make, the less content they have.

[Fox_McCloud3232]

Or so it seems anyway :lol:

[Flammenwerfer fox]

Or so it seems anyway :lol:

It IS that way. Isn't genuinly amazing how we can be amused by catapulting RETARDED comments back and forth at one another?

What did this start out as?

[Falco314]

It IS that way. Isn't genuinly amazing how we can be amused by catapulting RETARDED comments back and forth at one another?

What did this start out as?

try reading it cranky ol' flammen x3

[Flammenwerfer fox]

try reading it cranky ol' flammen x3

I was serious. And that's a lotta stuff to read.

[Fox_McCloud3232]

try reading it cranky ol' flammen x3

THANKS ALOT FALCO NOW WE REALLY ARE DEAD :shaking:

[Falco314]

I was serious. And that's a lotta stuff to read.

not really, when i first got here i read EVERY SINGLE POST on the screenshot threads.


actually this started as a conversation about we felling like elders in these forums, then we had an epic posting rampage (?) and now we cooled down a bit.

[Fox_McCloud3232]

not really, when i first got here i read EVERY SINGLE POST on the screenshot threads.


actually this started as a conversation about we felling like elders in these forums, then we had an epic posting rampage (?) and now we cooled down a bit.

Lol that sounds about right XD:lol:

[Falco314]

I have no doubt flammen's reaction to these posts is simply *face palm*

[Scourge of Ages]

Attention any moderators: Please do not lock this thread. Rather, please simply retitle it as, "Random jabber thread." Hopefully this will cut down on future pointless jabber and requests for threads to be locked.

Thank you,

-Scourge

[Falco314]

^That might actually work.

[maxmccloud]

sorry to bump but

i wanna know why people hate command so much, tell me now i command you(lol)

[paintballadict9]

alternate stories. Endings sucked.

i liked the gameplay though.

[MarekMcCloud]

alternate stories. Endings sucked.

i liked the gameplay though.

same

[maxmccloud]

the one story you have to play through was alright, the gameplay was great imo, id rather they all stop complaining and play one of the more decent games for the system

[Star Fox]

Command-
I do not like the alternate endings in command.

Adventures-
Dinosaurs? Really??
. . . No thank you.

(When I bought Adventures, I was really hoping for a lot of arwing action)

[maxmccloud]

well, to be fair there wasnt even a picture of a arwing on the cover.... but yea

i for one think command is an excellent starfox game which would be great if it had stuck to a more arcade feel

[killer_wolfen]

Command-
I do not like the alternate endings in command.

Adventures-
Dinosaurs? Really??
. . . No thank you.

(When I bought Adventures, I was really hoping for a lot of arwing action)

dude, look at the cover. there was like NO arwing on there. although i thought the same thing ಠ_ಠ

[Star Fox]

I know... but that's what I expected after years of Star Fox 64.
meh...

[paintballadict9]

loved adventures!

more my type of game.

liked the gameplay in all the games to date

but adventures and assult need 2 b longer and command needs voice acting with a story that doesn't end the series.

[dragonsniper]

loved adventures!

more my type of game.

liked the gameplay in all the games to date

but adventures and assult need 2 b longer and command needs voice acting with a story that doesn't end the series.
Never played adventures, but I do agree that Assault needed a longer story. If you look at the previous games though, they weren't that long either.
As for command, and the whole ending series thing, one of the main SF leaders (not sure who) stated that it doesn't signify the end of the series, and they're contemplating a game for the wii. Personally, I'd find something on the PC or PS3 kinda cool to, but I doubt it'll ever happen.

[SabreWolferos]

Starfox 1 + 2: Played one for about 10 minutes, but it looked fun :D

64: Was nice and if you played it right you could say that you could spend 25 Hours for the game until you saw everything and did everything.

How I get to that?

Easy.

Let`s say you need need 30 Mins for one playthrought in average. There are 25 ways of rout combinations and 2 difficulties. That makes 50 times 30 Mins.

Final comment to 64: Do a Barrel Roll!!!

Adventures was kinnda nice although there was no way to fight a boss again without restart the whole game and the omited fight against Scales because of the time delay (my theory).
The shop owner was a bit scary in my opinion and the flight passages weren't that funny.
And by mentioning Krystal I just could say 2 things:

1st: About time that a woman joins the team.

2nd: What happened to Fara (dammit plot holes -.-)

Final comment: Would have become better, if they hd more time to finish it ( pointing on unused voice recordings )

Assault:
Yay many rail levels again ... but what is that? A Ground mission as the entire 2nd level? Well ok, but !

3rd level ground mission again -.-. Just mentioned that the moving of Fox tail scares me a bit o.O.

4th level ground again! Starts to annoy me, hope for you guys there won't be much more.

5th level rail again yay!

6th Level: Hmm where are all those temples comming from? And why is a stupid teenage dino leader of his race. Ah yeah, btw ground mission with a bit flying.

Level 7 again almost entire ground and a fight against the general! WTF!? (Btw. where are Katt and Bill?)

Level 8 all range mode and lots of cannon fodder, but the KI's are stupid.

Level 9 ENOUGHT GROUND MISSIONS!!!!!

Level 10 The Great Fox is destroyed and Star Wolf is helping me ... ok was kinnda funny to shoot at Star Wolf again ^^.

Ending: What?!? Only 10 Levels and End!? Are you serious!?
Was close to cry at Fox last line :(

Finnal comment to Assault: The KI's of your companions are very stupid, just flying the same root again and again and shooting a bit ( I still wonder how they were able to kill one enemy ) ( Nintendo is it that hard to coppy or modify a scribt for KI chasing other KI's?).
Fox looked a bit angry over the whole game and Krystal became really busty for one year of growing.
Slippy was anoying ... done ... Falco anoyed Slippy .... done ...but Peppy didn't told me to Barrel roll ( very big ! mark) !!!
( Want Katt and Bill again :( )

Edit: And your buddies always get caught by boggies at the same time and not even once by Star Wolf(e) (dunno -.-) ( progarmming my watch to beep before they got attacked again ... )

Command, yeah uhm, didn't played Command a lot, just because there were no rail levels and only all range mode.
Also missed the hit counter with numbers over 200.
In my opinion there was not much action for a game where are you used to destroy armadas and giant bosses.
Many of the endigngs suck in my opinion, I only like the one with the party and the one where Fox and Krystal got married (until to that part that Fox clone alias Marcus appears).

Final comment to Command: I just act like Command never happend ...

Other things:
I think StarWolf(e) could need one more member, because it is not usual that the good ones have more ships than the bad guys.

About the member ^^...
They could need a female bird which is love interested to Falco ( but he ignores her ) and then she gets into a big Spaceship fight with an angry Katt :3

WOLFEN FOR EVA !!!!

So much from me.

P.S. Sorry for my bad english

[Flammenwerfer fox]

That was an impressive writing. I agree with most of what you said but you gave me impression that you approve of Krystal.:wtf:

Assault would have been a terrific game if Nintendo had simply done a better job with it in every department. And Krystal's boobs were just rediculous.

I pretty much like Star Fox for its awesome rail shooter style. I could not care less for the furry drama side of the games, and that's why I will not ever play Command, and why I thought Assault was an abomination. Adventure blew chunks in my opinion because there was hardly any arial combat! If I'd wanted an adventure game, I would have spent 50 bucks on a Zelda game that would be 10 time better!

[Fox's_Feather]

Command was sooooooo Cool.


HATERS GONNA HATE. :ha:

[Falco314]

Finnal comment to Assault: The KI's of your companions are very stupid, just flying the same root again and again and shooting a bit ( I still wonder how they were able to kill one enemy ) ( Nintendo is it that hard to coppy or modify a scribt for KI chasing other KI's?).


KI you mean AI, Artificial Inteligence?
Seriously, Nintendo MUST get better AI Pilots,every fighter in all-range mode couldn't barely hit a shot!

i mean, entire star wolf team at my six on ol' 64 was easier to take down than a couple of Maras in FS2. ¬¬

[SabreWolferos]

KI you mean AI, Artificial Inteligence?

Yeah, that's the word.
Sorry but I only knew the German version but thanks dude.

I agree with most of what you said but you gave me impression that you approve of Krystal.

I like the coloursheme of blue and white in her fur and that british accent :3
And the most important point ... :

<---- Guy ...

Edit: Btw. just saw a cat.
I like the pink Katt more than the black one ( don't like black ).

And don't dare to say anything about molting, else FLYING ROCK !!!

[Falco314]

I like the coloursheme of blue and white in her fur and that british accent :3

Most peple actually find the part of "Fur" quite creepy.
i just find creepy "Yiff" >.>

and bTW i actually like her british accent too so... sue me Flammen. xD

[SabreWolferos]

Most peple actually find the part of "Fur" quite creepy.
i just find creepy "Yiff" >.>

Because they are animals, made me want to play the Starfox games, but not of that adult stuff.

I was quite young ( about 4 to 5 ) when I saw Starfox 64/Lylat Wars the first time and I was very bent to animals these days ( which am I still today ) ( I had a dog and a canary ) and it just made me sad that I could never have a fox or even a wolf as pets.
And it was also interesting to see that they were walking like humans and were also able to talk ( even if I couldn't understand them at that time ) and of course da Spacfightaz x3 ... well and one thing went to the other and here I am.

( Hmm... note to myself: Do a test if you became a furry over time or not.)


Btw. back to topic

[maxmccloud]

should you happen to not care about yiff art and things of such(me) and not care what your characters in a story are based off of(me) you should be able to enjoy any game as long as its gameplay and story hold up. this is exactly why i enjoy starfox, i sorta enjoy the plotholes it gives me a sense of mystery haha i like filling in blanks, and i enjoy the characters even though they are animals.

this said, stop whining and play the games

and flammen......meh, rule 24 "dont feed the troll"

[Star Fox]

#25 Relation to the original topic decreases with every post.
#26 Any topic can easily be turned into something totally unrelated.

[Falco314]

#27 if the topic is meant for screenshots, every screenie posted will shortly decrease the off-topicness.

[Flammenwerfer fox]

should you happen to not care about yiff art and things of such(me) and not care what your characters in a story are based off of(me) you should be able to enjoy any game as long as its gameplay and story hold up. this is exactly why i enjoy starfox, i sorta enjoy the plotholes it gives me a sense of mystery haha i like filling in blanks, and i enjoy the characters even though they are animals.

this said, stop whining and play the games

and flammen......meh, rule 24 "dont feed the troll"

Yeah. So long as the main story of the game is at least partially solid I'll probably like it. I just don't like it when ultimately meaningless personal stories are jammed into the game. *Coughs* like Krystal X Fox in Command *Coughs*

Lol. It is fun to fill in the blanks some times.

[FOXNEZ]

umm what is wrong of ground missions? i like them
i remmeber that get out of the airwing while still moving was awesome : D
and shoot whit things like snipers and bazoocas was funny.
srry of mi english

[SabreWolferos]

umm what is wrong of ground missions? i like them
i remmeber that get out of the airwing while still moving was awesome : D
and shoot whit things like snipers and bazoocas was funny.
srry of mi english

It just doesn't fit to Starfox that you have a giant arsenal of hand weapons where some of them are times bigger and heavier than youself ( in my opinion ).

Ok the ground character of 64 was funny, but just because it was on multiplayer and harder to hit than the assault ones.

And it was just a hard time, first Adventures with about 4% flying. Then the big news of a new Starfox which will almost be like 64. The game had many fans because of the rail levels I think, but 50% of the whole game are not almost.

And the ground character was in multiplayer just unbalanced (pointing at Peppy, Wolf and the homing missle launchers. ).
When I played the 2nd leve the first time I just thought : "Holy crap, Fox is 10 times faster than in both smash bros, 64 an adventures together."
Don't pointing at the fact, that all weapons he has aer fitting in the back of his suite without popping somehow out.

Earlier there was a bigger chance to win with every unit against every other unit, but now, just take the launchers and you'r almost victorious.

[dragonsniper]

Given, Fox did move wicked fast, faster than he should have, and so did Falco in multiplayer for Assault. Aside from that, and a couple weapon inbalance issues like Sabrewolferos said, I didn't find much wrong with the ground battles. They were obviously (graphics and gameplay wise) better than the ground battles on the 64 (or atleast, I thought they were.)

[SabreWolferos]

I may now know why I don't like them.
I guess I'm just no longer used to 3rd person ground fights, at the moment I just play 1st person, because no one out there makes any 3rd person shoters anymore (hopefully SW BF 3 but that's another universe).

That's why I keep my eye on the other long awaited fan game (Max Payne mod I think).

[maxmccloud]

saberwolf, max payne 3 was announced recently :D

back on topic, starfox assualt being the first starfox game i actually played, i enjoyed the ground battles but not as much as the rail levels. i still think people should not complain tho. after beating assault i went back and played all of the starfox games, and then i bought command which was completly worth it in my opinion

[dragonsniper]

saberwolf, max payne 3 was announced recently :D

back on topic, starfox assualt being the first starfox game i actually played, i enjoyed the ground battles but not as much as the rail levels. i still think people should not complain tho. after beating assault i went back and played all of the starfox games, and then i bought command which was completly worth it in my opinion
I couldn't stand Command. I'm more of a run and shoot like heck person, :D and the strategy element I couldn't grasp. Also, I found using the stylus was very clunky for movement and firing. I've heard the storyline wasn't that bad though.

[Flammenwerfer fox]

I've heard the storyline wasn't that bad though.

Well whoever said that, needs to be committed.

[Flaming Cobra]

the one story you have to play through was alright, the gameplay was great imo, id rather they all stop complaining and play one of the more decent games for the system
THE GAMEPLAY SUCKED! It should have had SNES controls.

[Flaming Cobra]

That was an impressive writing. I agree with most of what you said but you gave me impression that you approve of Krystal.:wtf:

Assault would have been a terrific game if Nintendo had simply done a better job with it in every department. And Krystal's boobs were just rediculous.

I pretty much like Star Fox for its awesome rail shooter style. I could not care less for the furry drama side of the games, and that's why I will not ever play Command, and why I thought Assault was an abomination. Adventure blew chunks in my opinion because there was hardly any arial combat! If I'd wanted an adventure game, I would have spent 50 bucks on a Zelda game that would be 10 time better!

I approves of Krystal and I approves of the size of her boobs.

Nintendo didn't even make Star Fox Assault. That was NAMCO. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

Adventures was ok. It probably should have stayed Dinosaur Planet with no relation to Star Fox though.

The thing I hate most about Assualt was the fact that Andrew's voice was SO FUCKING GAY. :wtf:
Even worse, they kept calling him Oikonny. :wtf: They should have stuck to his first name, not his last name. They didn't call pigma. "dengar"

Peppy: "Damnit Dengar, why'd you have to run to such a vile place?"
...........GAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[maxmccloud]

lolol, "long time no see hare"

i also approve of krystal, and her boob size. but if nintendo ever gets into THAT part of the story with her and fox, i will stop playing....

adventures actually made me play it because i felt like i just had to save krystal haha

[Koto]

Well, the SNES Starfox and the unreleased Starfox 2 were great and Starfox 64 was awesomeness. Starfox Adventures I guess was okay but it was just a Zelda clone disguised as a Starfox game, not that that's bad but i prefer Zelda to be done with Zelda.
Assault is personally one of my favorites, but it was way too short and the story wasn't as good as it could have been(but do you seriously play Starfox for a story?)

I'm guessing Command would be the worst. The controls were great in my opinion and the gameplay is nice, but the story and and branching paths and multiple endings just plain confused everyone. This game was probably a what if scenario.

Now if they reboot the series, maybe kind of like how Star Trek was just recently rebooted, it would be awesome. Maybe for multiplayer there could be a ton of players online shooting each other down, and maybe use Assault's system for on-foot battles and tank(get better tank controls) battles, maybe a submarine battle...
Assault's multiplayer was fun if you could get someone to play with, but I rarely could so online would be awesome

[Flammenwerfer fox]

Adventures was not even supposed to be, and should not have been, a StarFox game! It was supposed to be some retarded dinosaur planet game for the N64! But Nintendo, with the Gcube coming and an SF sequal long awaited, decided to have the game gutted and turned into a game that disgraced its predacesor! The series went from being a terrific rail shooter to being an adventure clone! The result: The Star Fox series was raped. RAPED!:mad:

If you could change it, would you REALLY want Adventures to remain an SF game?

Assault trashed an excellent chance to bring back the series' former glory! BUT NO! They had to make it pure crap! There were only 3 rail missions(out of a rediculously short 10 mission campaign with pathetic replay value), the on foot controls were awkward too! Yes, the tank controlled very well, and it was really cool to get to play on foot and use guns, and I think on foot w/NON MAGICAL STAFF weapons was a step in the right direction.

And if the furry drama aspect gets any worse than what it was in Command, good bye Star Fox. I will not remember you very fondly.:(

Whoa, I just realized that Dengar is the name of a prominent bounty hunter from Star Wars. You can see him in The Empire Strikes Back

[maxmccloud]

i agree to every aspect of that post flammen. i would not want adventures to remain a starfox game if we could REALLY change it.

lets hope for a ALL SHIP sequel

[Flammenwerfer fox]

lets hope for a ALL SHIP sequel

Amen.

[paintballadict9]

i agree to every aspect of that post flammen. i would not want adventures to remain a starfox game if we could REALLY change it.

lets hope for a ALL SHIP sequel

I would like that.

THOUGH...i like SFCommand for its gameplay. Gonna ignore the story part.

Like adventures.

assult made me sad. (Too short)

so there...all ship sequal would be frikin awesome

[maxmccloud]

yay first post on here more than 1 person agreed with lol!!!

a fast paced ship sequel would be the shit, major upgrades to the arwings engine anyone?

[Olly]

First off, this thread is epic. Now on to business.

I have to agree with saying that SF: Adventures was where the series fell apart, and like you folks said the game itself was Zelda, with StarFox characters instead. About the only good things about it was the game was beautifully done by Rare; graphic wise, and well I personally enjoyed shoving a nova bomb down Andross' throat again. You got to wonder what in God's name was going through the heads of those folks at Nintendo when they stuck StarFox in a game that wasn't originally suppose to be StarFox in the first place. Oh and I nearly forgot Krystal, and her just being slapped into the series is alright; but Fara could have filled the roll just as well, just minus the whole telepathy bit.

Now SF: Assault... Well it just gets worse, whoot for more rail shooting levels. But to me the game just didn't feel like it was finished, only 10 missions. Not that there is anything wrong with 10 missions, but only 10? Weak, even compared to the first StarFox for NES, despite a different route meant it would just be harder, less you aimed for the blackhole or wanted to fight the slot machine. Not much meat to the multiplayer, and having Xevious as a reward seemed like a half ass attempt to fill disc space, nothing against the game but still. Not to mention the Borg bugs, I mean is that the best they could come up with? I would've been happy picking apart Andrew's army for a couple levels then some cosmic overlord from the nth dimension of who gives a damn show's up to turn the Lylat System into a funeral pyre, would have taken that over Borg bugs. Namco's doing, yes I know, and not too many people will care about who you fight, but you think they would have better story writers.

Command, eh all the endings are crap since not one is really canon, but I liked the gameplay, and each character having their own unique ship was a cool touch that I hope they do carry over to the next game.

As for how they can revive/ save/ reboot the series I haven't a damn clue, but I hope it's an all ship game like some of you suggested. Though if they do mix in on foot action into it again, they best take a lesson from Gears of War, RE5, or DeadSpace if they want to do it right.

And that's all I think I need to say on that.

[paintballadict9]

First off, this thread is epic. Now on to business.

I have to agree with saying that SF: Adventures was where the series fell apart, and like you folks said the game itself was Zelda, with StarFox characters instead. About the only good things about it was the game was beautifully done by Rare; graphic wise, and well I personally enjoyed shoving a nova bomb down Andross' throat again. You got to wonder what in God's name was going through the heads of those folks at Nintendo when they stuck StarFox in a game that wasn't originally suppose to be StarFox in the first place. Oh and I nearly forgot Krystal, and her just being slapped into the series is alright; but Fara could have filled the roll just as well, just minus the whole telepathy bit.

Now SF: Assault... Well it just gets worse, whoot for more rail shooting levels. But to me the game just didn't feel like it was finished, only 10 missions. Not that there is anything wrong with 10 missions, but only 10? Weak, even compared to the first StarFox for NES, despite a different route meant it would just be harder, less you aimed for the blackhole or wanted to fight the slot machine. Not much meat to the multiplayer, and having Xevious as a reward seemed like a half ass attempt to fill disc space, nothing against the game but still. Not to mention the Borg bugs, I mean is that the best they could come up with? I would've been happy picking apart Andrew's army for a couple levels then some cosmic overlord from the nth dimension of who gives a damn show's up to turn the Lylat System into a funeral pyre, would have taken that over Borg bugs. Namco's doing, yes I know, and not too many people will care about who you fight, but you think they would have better story writers.

Command, eh all the endings are crap since not one is really canon, but I liked the gameplay, and each character having their own unique ship was a cool touch that I hope they do carry over to the next game.

As for how they can revive/ save/ reboot the series I haven't a damn clue, but I hope it's an all ship game like some of you suggested. Though if they do mix in on foot action into it again, they best take a lesson from Gears of War, RE5, or DeadSpace if they want to do it right.

And that's all I think I need to say on that.

well put good sir.

[Slycan]

I'm reading the comments in this thread and it begs the questions...

1- What was Nintendo main reason for creating StarFox, the REAL reason? [think about it.]

2- What is the core of the StarFox Saga? [ The main reason you liked StarFox ]

and finally.

3- Do you really think StarFox has a place in 'great video games' in the year 2010 and beyond?

good day.

[Olly]

Hmmm decent questions, here's my take on the answers.

1. Why make the game? Profit, always the first and last thing on a company's mind. With the slight interest of making something with content that will interest their consumer to come back for more.

2. Why do I like the series? The first action game I ever played, first game I ever won without help from an older sibling or parent. StarFox has always been my preferred series, and I played the original until I wore out my SNES controllers, and my N64 controllers have suffered the same fate. I mean hell Venom on the N64 version, the easy path scared the crap out of me when I was little, all those fighters coming at my one ship, if you want an example of how epic this game series is to me. I grew up with this game series as my favorite, and I'll likely die with it as being my favorite, no matter how far Nintendo drags it through the mud.

3. Do I think StarFox has a chance to be one of the great video games of the year? Nope, not how Nintendo has been handling it, I'd be surprised if they ever manage to make a StarFox game as great as the N64 game at any point in the future, but until then I'll be waiting for that game and SoL to be finished.

Back to you guys

[sacrificabominat]

I'm reading the comments in this thread and it begs the questions...

1- What was Nintendo main reason for creating StarFox, the REAL reason? [think about it.]

2- What is the core of the StarFox Saga? [ The main reason you liked StarFox ]

and finally.

3- Do you really think StarFox has a place in 'great video games' in the year 2010 and beyond?

good day.

1. Nintendo wanted to show the power of the Snes with the super FX chip in a flight simulator, or what was considered the best flight simulator back then.

2. Gameplay!!!

3. If Nintendo gives it to Namco Bandai- No. If Nintendo does it themselves with a dedicated team- Yes. If Nintendo turns another game into a star fox game- No!!! They might be working on it right now and they have just not announced it, or they just don't care anymore.:(

Good night.

[Flammenwerfer fox]

1. Nintendo wanted to show the power of the Snes with the super FX chip in a flight simulator, or what was considered the best flight simulator back then.

2. Gameplay!!!

3. If Nintendo gives it to Namco Bandai- No. If Nintendo does it themselves with a dedicated team- Yes. If Nintendo turns another game into a star fox game- No!!! They might be working on it right now and they have just not announced it, or they just don't care anymore.:(

What he said.

[Slycan]

So let me sum it up.

1- Starfox was created for profit and to show off "new" stuff in order to get more sales on their systems. [As were mario games were made for playing/fun]

2- We played StarFox for its gameplay, Not the Plot, Not the StoryLine. So at the end , don't you think Nintendo didn't care much for the StoryLine and Plot either? (look back at 1)

3- Nintendo -never- cared much for StarFox it's obvious. It's only a classic because it was eye-candy lure. So - to answer the question "Who is responsible" is simple now. Definitely not Nintendo's... hm...
Could it be that customers and fans of starfox actually thought this series was going to be anything more than a lure? Oh my... Nintendo pwned us.



so that pretty much ends this discussion.

[Flammenwerfer fox]

So let me sum it up.

1- Starfox was created for profit and to show off "new" stuff in order to get more sales on their systems. [As were mario games were made for playing/fun]

2- We played StarFox for its gameplay, Not the Plot, Not the StoryLine. So at the end , don't you think Nintendo didn't care much for the StoryLine and Plot either? (look back at 1)

3- Nintendo -never- cared much for StarFox it's obvious. It's only a classic because it was eye-candy lure. So - to answer the question "Who is responsible" is simple now. Definitely not Nintendo's... hm...
Could it be that customers and fans of starfox actually thought this series was going to be anything more than a lure? Oh my... Nintendo pwned us.

so that pretty much ends this discussion.

K, I'm just gonna come out and say that your point is complete bull shit.

Now I have a question for you. Why and how has this PATHETIC old thread of mine soldiered on for this long?

[Falco314]

K, I'm just gonna come out and say that your point is complete bull shit.

Now I have a question for you. Why and how has this PATHETIC old thread of mine soldiered on for this long?

let's see...


it started a little boring, then we made post-rampage through it, it became random discussion and SOMEWHAT it got back on the original tracks. xD

[MarekMcCloud]

let's see...
SOMEWHAT it got back on the original tracks. xD

penis

[Slycan]

QUOTE = Flammenwerfer - K, I'm just gonna come out and say that your point is complete bull shit.


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Pointless Point is Pointless.
PROVE IT
PROVE IT
I'll give you a cookie if you do lol

Penis x2

[Flammenwerfer fox]

If they (Nintendo) only meant for Star Fox to show off new developments in gaming technology, WHY did they remake it AND proceed to make 3 sequals? Why would they trash a peerfectly good game to make a new SF sequal?(Adventures) And if you think "Well, because they wanted to destroy the SF fanbase." Then what about Assault, and Command?

[Slycan]

snes - Show of, "hook and sinker"

snes2 - Cancled so it doesn't matter

n64 - Remake of the show off, "hook and sinker x2"

gamecube- Adventures should be the obvious clue they don't care about who or how startfox is handled - begining of trashing.

gamecube2 - "lets make them think its going to be like Startfox 64 and rip-off the "Flood" plot from Halo."

DS - Throw it on a portable so its easily forgotten like the rest on our portable games like... idk.. every pokemon game you can think of. Oh and lets not even try and do cut scenes, hire a 12 year old to to make ClipArt. And Add 7+ endings to confuss the fans/our paychecks/furrys into thinking we might actually have a sequel even though its clearly stated "This is the end of Starfox" from the creator himself. Cheers to Mario and Zelda!"

Did I miss anything?

[Olly]

Apparently you forgot to chill out. You honestly sound like you're trying to start a fight and get this thread locked cause no one really agrees with your opinion. Or is this a common occurrence on the SoL threads? This being the internet and all?

[Star Fox]

After the credits of starfox 64, after taking the hard route to Venom, it said THE END.
Heh heh, but it wasn't. :D

[Slycan]

Apparently you forgot to chill out. You honestly sound like you're trying to start a fight and get this thread locked cause no one really agrees with your opinion. Or is this a common occurrence on the SoL threads? This being the internet and all?

Who are you talking about Noob?
[and I don't mean that as an insult, I'm just looking at your post status]

Welcome to SOL/Internet? :lol:

@Star Fox
Ref1 The Wii thought is shot
(and a Starfox game is 'normally' made first year of a new consol by the big N)
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/694530/original-star-fox-creator-not-interested-in-making-star-fox-for-wii.html

Ref2The Original creator wants no more shit to do with Starfox, because he, like the rest of us fans, are wondering wtf happened when Adventures was bred.
http://www.destructoid.com/original-star-fox-creator-won-t-do-sequel-jabs-at-miyamoto-127466.phtml

Looks like the end to me but...

Ref3
I could be wrong & they could always change there minds and try to make up for the shitpile built around this series :nod:

[Scourge of Ages]

I was thinking along these lines:

Starfox (-wing): First 3D accelerated graphics! Polygons! So cool! Showed off the SNES hardware.

Starfox 64 (Lylat Wars): Remake of SNES SF, had FULL VOICE ACTING!!!! And the RUMBLE PACK! So cool!!!

Adventures: Nintendo guy 1 says, "Hey, you know what games sold pretty well and we haven't redone lately? Starfox!" Nintendo guy 2 says, "But we don't have any cool new hardware or technologies to show off!" NG1, "Well, we can at least make it look cool. Let's convert this old RARE game that we already payed for to SF and put it on the Cube."

Assault: NG1, "Adventures did well enough, but the fans wanted something more like 64." NG2, "Well, we still don't have any new features or technology, but we can at least make a cool game. With foot battles!"

Command: NG1, "We should make a SF game for the DS because the sales of the last two games don't justify a Wii project." NG2, "Any ides?" NG1, "Let's remake the unreleased SF2, slap some touch controls and new story on, and call it a day."

In conclusion: The Star Fox series was just a pair of tech demos that happened to be very entertaining and sold well enough for N to justify making sequels until they dried up.

[Olly]

Well Slycan, we can pray for the third option and hope it comes true before we all die of old age or radiation poisoning.

But yeah, I've known about Dylan Cuthbert wanting nothing to do with StarFox, least a Wii version of the game. Thanks for the links though.

Just so long as Namco doesn't touch it, and Miyamoto doesn't get any strange ideas again, maybe it will have a chance.

Thank you for the welcome to the threads too.

[FOXNEZ]

"Cheers to Mario and Zelda!"



you miss pokemon XD
pokemon is eternal D: like animal crosing XD
and i like it XD
and there is MOAR to come out of pokemon

[Falco314]

you miss pokemon XD
pokemon is eternal D: like animal crosing XD
and i like it XD
and there is MOAR to come out of pokemon

no there isn't
don't get me wrong, i like pokemon, but the newest pokemons are just crap.
seriously, it's getting EXCESSIVELY repetitive.
"new pokemons, a new region and a new team of iincopetent bandits." HOWEVER THE SAME GODDAMN STORY, with one or two changes.
and don't get me STARTED on Animal Crossing.

[Flammenwerfer fox]

The 'new' Pokemon stuff is like the later SG-1 episodes: Clones of the original and not very good ones that ultimately disgrace the series.

Wow, this thread has gotten super off-topic AGAIN!

[D-Mac]

Ref2The Original creator wants no more shit to do with Starfox, because he, like the rest of us fans, are wondering wtf happened when Adventures was bred.
http://www.destructoid.com/original-star-fox-creator-won-t-do-sequel-jabs-at-miyamoto-127466.phtml
That's not correct at all. He wasn't even involved with Star Fox 64, and he directed the development of Star Fox Command.

[Flammenwerfer fox]

That's not correct at all. He wasn't even involved with Star Fox 64, and he directed the development of Star Fox Command.

What about the original Star Fox for SNES and the incomplete SF2?

[D-Mac]

He was the lead programmer on Star Fox and the unreleased Star Fox 2. It's sort've inaccurate for that article to call him the "Star Fox creator", as he didn't create the characters or direct the actual design of the games.

[maxmccloud]

dylan cuthbert whom i assume your talking about, made the names for a few of the characters i think fox and falco idk

did you guys ever happen to think N is just waiting for a good developer to hand the reigns of star fox to?

stop whining and enjoy your shootemups, in other words. just play the damn game

[D-Mac]

I'm indeed talking about Cuthbert, and am aware he named some characters.

did you guys ever happen to think N is just waiting for a good developer to hand the reigns of star fox to?

That in itself is actually the problem for many who believe Nintendo should just develop the next Star Fox game themselves; something they haven't done in 13 years.

stop whining and enjoy your shootemups, in other words. just play the damn game
I don't understand this statement. If someone is disappointed in the direction of the series, instead of voicing their displeasure, they should just force themselves to enjoy it?

[maxmccloud]

no im saying voice your displeasure, but dont expect someone on the internet to care.

i enjoy a game solely of its gameplay and story. sure the story has been going downhill but i havnt really ever been dissapointed in the quality of the quality of gameplay.(ground missions ugh)

i feel sorry for ressurecting this thread, we should let it die

[Fox_McCloud3232]

Nintendo should just STOP looking for excuses to hand off their games to third party developers, get off their lazy asses, listen to the fan base for once in a freaking blue moon, AND MAKE IT THEMSELVES.


....
<_<
>_>
*flees before being pelted by rocks*

[Slycan]

ajajajajaja.

[Falco314]

i feel sorry for ressurecting this thread, we should let it die
Epic thread shall live.


Nintendo should just STOP looking for excuses to hand off their games to third party developers, get off their lazy asses, listen to the fan base for once in a freaking blue moon, AND MAKE IT THEMSELVES.


....
<_<
>_>
*flees before being pelted by rocks*

Ditto.

ajajajajaja.
drunk again Sly?

[Flammenwerfer fox]

YAY! A thread I made got not one, but TWO tags!... That may actually be a bad thing.:shaking:

[Falco314]

YAY! A thread I made got not one, but TWO tags!... That may actually be a bad thing.:shaking:

*whistling*

[Olly]

Nintendo making a StarFox game themselves again, that would be interesting to see at this point. Could be a flop, or it could be awesome. But I got to say there are some great 3rd party companies out there, a few of them could do a decent job with StarFox. Retro Studios perhaps, but that comes from the first Metroid Prime being as good as it was. I want to say Team Ninja, but their already working on Other M and fighting games seem to be their thing, don't know how they would handle a shooter. GearBox Software might be good too considering they had a hand in a few expansions of Half-Life, and Borderlands was pretty fun.

Anymore companies you folks can throw in the hat here?

[Scourge of Ages]

Lucasarts! ummmm, Interplay, Ubisoft.

[Fox_McCloud3232]

i'd bring up bungie but people would shoot me >_>;
(and plus we've already had that discussion)

[D-Mac]

I couldn't exactly see another Nintendo-EAD developed game it doing any worse with sales/critics than the last couple SF games. Nintendo has such a great track record of quality with games they've developed internally.

As for 3rd parties, I tend to think of companies that've made Aerial or Space Shooters before, and are familiar with working on Nintendo systems.

Factor 5 - Made the Star Wars: Rogue Squadron series on GameCube and N64.
Shin'en - Nanostray and Iridion space shoot-em-up series on DS and GBA, respectively.
Treasure - Ikaruga and Radiant Silvergun shmups, and the recent Sin & Punishment rail shooter on Wii.

[Fox's_Feather]

Rogue Squadron was pretty good, I think Factor 5 would be therefore a good alternative.

[Flammenwerfer fox]

Factor 5 - Made the Star Wars: Rogue Squadron series on GameCube and N64.
Shin'en - Nanostray and Iridion space shoot-em-up series on DS and GBA, respectively.
Treasure - Ikaruga and Radiant Silvergun shmups, and the recent Sin & Punishment rail shooter on Wii.

I vote for Factor 5. But do any of these groups still exist today?

EDIT
And with this post, Who is Responsible!? soldiers on...

[maxmccloud]

lionhead studios i think, they seem more attuned to rpgs but they love spending time on there games and not just making them.

maybe treasure or factor 5 idk

nintendo just needs to get off their asses

[sacrificabominat]

There are many studios under Nintendo's command, and half of them are given this question. How do we please grandma? My answer to this is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52LZwqjU1ig.

For more examples look up grandma plays.

[maxmccloud]

square enix???"commence laighing"


lolololololololololol

[Olly]

Oh dear god, help us if such blasphemy is ever released upon the the world, and no amount of Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch can save us.